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		<title>The Best Player In A Trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kern</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[KERN: Can somebody please drive a broken composite stick through the heart of that saying every time a big trade is made? You know; the team with the best player wins. Yeah, says who?]]></description>
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<p>Can somebody please drive a broken composite stick through the heart of that saying that is trotted out every time a big trade is made in the National Hockey League?</p>
<p>You know the saying; whichever team ends up with the best player wins the trade.</p>
<p>Yeah, says who?</p>
<p>Sam Pollock, that’s who.  The legendary general manager of the Montreal Canadiens worked the phones at a time when it often seemed that half of his fellow GM’s in the league approached their job like it was a hobby, something they did for kicks after the dishes were done.</p>
<p>In this day-and-age, despite what the frothing fan base of a particular franchise may feel, every one of the thirty NHL general managers are top notch.  In this instantaneous over-informed society we live in, there is no way a GM not up to the job would last for any length of time.  They would very quickly be exposed.  Bob Pulford should thank his lucky stars he handled the job at a time when dinosaurs such as Bill Wirtz walked the Earth.</p>
<p>When two teams make a major trade, such as the one the Calgary Flames and Toronto Maple Leafs engineered on the last day of January, some hockey pundit somewhere will bring up that old Sam Pollock saying.</p>
<p>It’s often true; just think of the Montreal Canadiens moving disgruntled goaltender Patrick Roy (along with Mike Keane) to the newly minted Colorado Avalanche in exchange for goaltender Jocelyn Thibault, and forwards Andrei Kovalenko and Martin Rucinsky (December 6<sup>th</sup>, 1995).</p>
<p>But it’s not always the case.</p>
<p>Steve Simmons uttered the Sam Pollock phrase on “The Reporters” on TSN, citing defenceman Dion Phaneuf as the best player in the Flames/Maple Leafs deal.</p>
<p>If that is indeed correct, then why did Flames’ GM Darryl Sutter trade the best player?  Did Sutter bump his head during a weekend trip to Okotoks?</p>
<p>Of course not; Sutter appraised his team, what it needed and what could be sacrificed, all the time keeping in mind the underlying factor of the salary cap, and its often far-reaching implications.</p>
<p>Maple Leafs’ GM Brian Burke did the same thing to his team, and presto, we had a big trade to discuss.</p>
<p>On paper, or at least on a piece of paper dated January 31<sup>st</sup>, 2008, Phaneuf is without question the best player in the swap.  But that is a long two years ago.  Since then, Phaneuf has become everybody’s favourite whipping boy, and as the Flames were awash in expensive defenceman, it was pretty clear they would move the underachieving, at times selfish, rearguard.</p>
<p>Time will tell if Phaneuf is the best player in the deal.  Maybe big defenceman Keith Aulie will end up being the best player.  That’s the chance any team takes when it swaps warm bodies.</p>
<p>The Calgary Flames traded Brett Hull to the St. Louis Blues.  The young emerging sniper went on to a Hall-of-Fame career.  The Flames profited from that trade by winning the 1989 Stanley Cup.  Hull would not win a Cup in St. Louis.</p>
<p>The Golden Brett was the best player in the trade in hindsight.  Even at the time of the transaction, the Flames knew they were giving up a future superstar.  Still, who won that trade?</p>
<p>That March 7<sup>th</sup>, 1988 trade breaks down as such…Brett Hull, and Steve Bozak to the Blues for defenceman Rob Ramage and goaltender Rick Wamsley.  The Flames were upset that spring by the Edmonton Oilers (Wayne Gretzky’s final hurrah as an Oiler), but Ramage was a key part of the Redwood defence that helped the Flames win it all a year later.</p>
<p>Speaking of blockbusters, how about Gretzky going to the Los Angeles Kings during the summer of 1988?  It put hockey on the map, as the cliché goes, in many non-traditional markets in the U.S. (feel free to debate the pros and cons of that result), but the Kings never won the Stanley Cup.  They lost to Montreal in 1993, while the Oilers won the 1990 Cup, two seasons after trading The Great One.  As for Gretzky, he never won another Stanley Cup after 1988.</p>
<p>Who won that Gretzky trade?  Well, the Kings, even though they never won the Cup.  If anything, that trade was a harbinger of what the NHL would face during the 1990’s; the marginalization of small market teams and the resulting player moves necessistated by monetary concerns.</p>
<p>That August 9<sup>th</sup>, 1988 trade breaks down as such&#8230;Gretzky goes to the Kings along with Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski.  To the Oilers goes Martin Gelinas, Jimmy Carson, 1<sup>st</sup> round draft picks in 1989, 1991, and 1993 and money.</p>
<p>Money, because Oilers’ owner Peter Pocklington was beginning to experience the first of his many business/legal headaches to follow.  “I’d Trade Him Again”, indeed.<strong></strong></p>
<p>Gelinas and Carson were key members of that 1990 Stanley Cup winning squad in Edmonton.</p>
<p>Even if either Phaneuf or Aulie outperforms the players sent to Southern Alberta in this latest blockbuster, when a GM makes a trade, he’s looking to improve his team, not worrying about the legacy of the trade.  If his team improves, either short-term for a playoff drive, or long-term, then the legacy issue usually takes care of itself.</p>
<p>Exhibit B about the foolhardiness of investing 100% faith in the Pollock saying also involves the Calgary Flames.</p>
<p>Flames fans were up-in-arms when Magic Kent Nilsson was traded to the Minnesota North Stars on June 15<sup>th</sup>, 1985.  Through that trade, the Flames received two draft picks, one which they used to grab Joe Nieuwendyk in the second round (27<sup>th</sup> overall) in the 1985 NHL Entry Draft.</p>
<p>When Nilsson hoisted the 1987 Stanley Cup with the hated Edmonton Oilers, many Flames’ fans decried the earlier trade, asking “Joe Who?” about Nieuwendyk, until Joe Who popped in 51 goals as a rookie in 1987-88.</p>
<p>Joe Who was part of the Flames 1989 Stanley Cup team, so when it came time for Calgary to move him along to the Dallas Stars (December 19<sup>th</sup>, 1995), they got Corey Millen, and some guy named Jarome Iginla.</p>
<p>Iginla had been the Stars 1<sup>st</sup> round draft pick in 1995, and all these years later, the captain of the Flames is a reasonable bet to make the Hockey Hall-of-Fame upon his retirement.</p>
<p>Still, some Flames’ fans grumbled about losing Joe Who to the Stars.  You’d think they’d have learned their lesson; the team that gets the “best player” in the trade doesn’t necessarily win the trade.</p>
<p>The Minnesota North Stars got Nilsson, but he won a Cup with the Oilers.  The Dallas Stars got Nieuwendyk, and he helped them win their only Cup, but they paid a heavy price in giving up Iginla.</p>
<p>Arguably, both teams won that trade.</p>
<p>Then there’s the June 13<sup>th</sup>, 1987 swap between the Quebec Nordiques and the Washington Capitals.  Dale Hunter, the heart and soul of the 1980’s Quebec Nordiques went to D.C., and coming back to Quebec was a draft choice that ended up being Joe Sakic.</p>
<p>(The actual trade was Gaeten Duchesne, Alan Haworth and a 1<sup>st</sup> round draft pick to Washington for Dale Hunter and Clint Malarchuk).</p>
<p>Perennial playoff failures, the Capitals got a shot-in-the-arm with the inclusion of Hunter on their roster, and they finally won a Game Seven in overtime when La Petite Peste scored on a breakaway against the Flyers’ Ron Hextall the following spring.</p>
<p>The Nordiques entered some very bleak years, before stockpiling high draft picks, and emerging as a young, promising team, led by Sakic.</p>
<p>Both teams can claim to have won that trade, all depending on how you view it.  The Capitals needed to change up their chemistry, and the Nords needed to rebuild.  Both succeeded thanks in large part to that trade.</p>
<p>In reality, the team that really won that trade was the Colorado Avalanche, but no-one had any inkling of that reality back when the Hunter trade was consummated.</p>
<p>A final note.  Even if Dion Phaneuf wins the Norris Trophy, the Leafs/Flames trade is not even close to being a duplicate of the January 2<sup>nd</sup>, 1992 trade that brought Doug Gilmour to Toronto, despite what the Toronto-based hockey media has been repeating over and over and over again.</p>
<p>The Flames and Maple Leafs exchanged five players each that day, with Gilmour being the prime asset.  He was a very good player with Calgary (and St. Louis before that), and thanks to a contract impasse with GM Doug Risebrough and the Flames’ brass, Gilmour was shipped out-of-town.</p>
<p>This transaction actually fits the Sam Pollock saying about which team wins a trade.</p>
<p>Even on that day, unless you were a diehard Flames fan, one could see the Leafs “won” that trade.  The inspired play of Gilmour, and the sizeable contributions of the likes of Jamie Macoun, and Ric Nattress, far out shadowed the meager contributions in Cowtown of the likes of Gary Leeman and Michel Petit.</p>
<p>I know, for I had a sprited argument with the Calgary cabbie who was dropping me off at the Calgary airport that evening, as I was returning to Toronto after spending Christmas with the family.  He was convinced that the Gilmour trade would put the Flames over the top, as they were getting 50-goal scorer Leeman.</p>
<p>Leeman would win his only Stanley Cup two seasons later as a role player with the 1993 Montreal Canadiens.  His stay in Calgary was brief and uneventful.</p>
<p>The Toronto Maple Leafs and GM Cliff Fletcher won that trade easily.  It helped revive, on-ice, that franchise, and set up the Leafs to enjoy, for the most part, a rather successful decade.  In both 1993, and 1994, the Leafs were legitimate Cup contenders.</p>
<p>That was a trade that shook up the NHL.  The current Flames/Maple Leafs trade only shakes up those two teams.</p>
<p>- Mick Kern</p>
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		<title>Trades Not Salary Dumps</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Craig Johnson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[PANG: When Olli Jokinen was traded to the Phoenix Coyotes at the NHL Draft last year, the Coyotes felt they had that big, strong, offensive-minded centerman they had been craving.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Olli Jokinen was traded to the Coyotes at the NHL Draft last year, the Coyotes felt they had that big, strong, offensive-minded centerman they had been craving.</p>
<p>It didn’t work, for whatever reason. There was chemistry that was missing. The big Finnish centerman was trying, but it just wasn’t working. He has another season at $5.5 million, so the assumption is trading him to Calgary was a salary dump.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is my fault. When we got Jokinen, I led the charge saying this is the BIG, STRONG, 35-goal centerman the Coyotes have long been searching for. It is not Jokinen’s fault. He arrived as billed. He WAS, and WILL be a 35-goal scorer that is 6-foot-2, 210 pounds. He is a very gifted hockey player that has lead Finland to International Hockey Titles. He was the Captain in Florida and prior to that was the third overall pick of the Los Angeles Kings. I like the guy. His teammates liked the guy, especially the older players.</p>
<p>The issue was chemistry. This is not Shane Doan’s fault, although he is such a stand-up guy, he will try to take the blame. Everyone was searching for the right combination on the ice. Wayne Gretzky tried every forward with him. The Coyotes have a lot of first- and second-year players. Those players are going to be real good. The assumption was that Jokinen could lead the charge, despite the inexperience he had around him, which isn’t always an easy task with the many proven, veteran players that are in this league.</p>
<p>The coaches tried playing him with Doan, Peter Mueller, Dan Carcillo, Enver Lisin and Kyle Turris, to name a few. It was apparent from my broadcast perch, some 200 feet away, that there was little cohesion.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the trade deadline can be a magnet.</p>
<p>It is an opportunity to make a move, see what is out there. Some years there are teams that really like what you have. In other years, there is nothing to offer. Many teams liked Jokinen and for good reason.</p>
<p>This is about the Calgary Flames. They tried last year at the deadline to get the big Finn. They have a coach in Mike Keenan that did a great job in getting the most out of Jokinen when both the LA Kings and the NY Islanders could not. That is sports. That does not mean it is a sell-off. What it does mean is it is a good hockey trade for both teams.</p>
<p>Jokinen scored two goals in his Calgary debut playing with Jarome Iginla and Mike Cammalleri.<br />
Scottie Upshall scored a goal in his debut for the Coyotes, while Matthew Lombardi was strong on key faceoffs, and was very good alongside Doan and Petr Prucha</p>
<p>Coyotes General Manager Don Maloney and Assistant G.M. Brad Treliving maintained composure and patience at the deadline. They were out of time on Derek Morris as the Boston Bruins failed to give anything back, other than a draft pick. If it was a sell-off, Maloney would have just taken a pick. Instead, he was magnificent in communicating with Glen Sather and the New York Rangers for Morris. Morris had to waive his no-trade clause to agree to go to New York, as it was not one of his preferred teams. He will do great there and played 16 minutes, paired with former Coyote Paul Mara in his first game. Morris was a good player and person for the Coyotes. He also is looking for a long-term deal that the Coyotes didn’t see as part of their future plans. That is the business of pro sports.</p>
<p>So let’s take a closer look:</p>
<p>Morris goes to the Rangers for three players. Is that a sell-off? They ADDED three players. They subtracted $3.95 million (Morris) and added $4.487 million (Nigel Dawes, Dmitri Kalinin and Prucha), who are 23, 28 and 24 years old as compared to Morris at the age of 31. I personally had five players from the Boston Bruins dressing room take me aside and tell me they couldn’t believe how many good, young players the Coyotes added at the deadline, including the three from New York. The Rangers got a solid, reliable player that will be highly motivated and excited to be with a great organization like the Rangers. This is the first time Morris has played for an Original 6 team. There is something special about that.</p>
<p>The Coyotes were credited by almost every analyst as a “winner” on trade deadline day. Usually that means a team is out of the playoffs and “sells” every player they have for draft picks and prospects. Maple Leafs G.M. Brian Burke walked by our broadcast booth in Boston and told Dave Strader and me that Maloney was the first star on deadline day. Jay Feaster, the former G.M. of the Tampa Bay Lightning, told a national audience on TSN that Maloney and the Coyotes were the winners of this day. They were the winners for making good hockey moves. All the trades that were made were good trades for BOTH teams. That is the key. NY, Philadelphia and Calgary got players they needed as well. That is the sign of some good dealings.</p>
<p>The Coyotes moved Jokinen and a third-round pick to Calgary for Matthew Lombardi, Brandon Prust and a first-round pick in either 2009 or 2010, depending on Calgary’s choice.</p>
<p>Lombardi makes $2.35 million next season and Prust makes $525,000. Jokinen will make<br />
$5.5 million next year. Plus, the Coyotes got the first- rounder. You will like these well- tested kids from Calgary. Now the Coyotes have financial flexibility to add some key unrestricted free agents on July 1.</p>
<p>On to Philly. The very popular and likeable Carcillo will be greatly missed because he brings moxie and gumption to the ice. I will also miss this energetic player and person. At the end of the day though, it was hard to figure out where he fit in the lineup. He admitted he was struggling with his game and confidence as he had zero goals in his final 14 games in a Coyotes uniform.</p>
<p>Last year, it looked like he may become a solid No. 2 left wing. He wasn’t going to be a No. 3 checking-line winger, as that was not in his makeup. He showed flashes of tremendous upside and I know Philly will love him. He seemed born to wear a Flyers jersey. When you see him in it, you will understand.</p>
<p>The Coyotes received a strong skater and player that can get up and down the ice in a hurry in Scottie Upshall, the former first-round round pick of the Nashville Predators. The Coyotes basically swapped salaries, paying a little more for Upshall. Carcillo does have one more year left on his deal, while Upshall is a restricted free agent. As he showed in Boston playing alongside Turris and Joakim Lindstrom, he isn’t afraid to get involved and has a nice scoring touch. There was good chemistry with the four lines. He scored a goal, had many good hits and played with tenacity.</p>
<p>Mikael Tellqvist went to the Sabres for a fourth-round pick. He was a great team player who will be missed by everyone. It was time to change the hand though as Josh Tordjman needed to see some NHL pucks. He has been great in the American Hockey League now for four years.</p>
<p>So, at the end of the day, watch the Coyotes play. Don’t just read someone’s written opinion and buy into the money and the selling of players. Evaluate their game and team speed and skill level.</p>
<p>All players, trainers and fans forge relationships with players and it is never easy seeing guys go. But make your own evaluation and then tell me this is a “sell-off.” You won’t see it that way. These were hockey moves to make the team better. Those can sometimes be hard decisions, but the best for the players and in the end, the fans that only want to win.</p>
<p>- Panger</p>
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